Posts by Doubting Bro

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City Contributes $150,000 to Jehovahs Witnesses Convention

by TJ Curioso in

city contributes $150,000 to jehovahs witnesses convention .

by ariella montioctober 22, 2012 | posted in: city council, news, the latest | 0 responsesduring a closed session a month ago raleigh city councilors approved a $150,000 contribution to the christian congregation of jehovahs witnesses convention that will be held next year at the pnc arena.. the city has been contributing money toward the event since it first came to raleigh seven years ago.. this is not new, said city manager russell allen.

he said the event has been built into the citys annual budget for awhile.. the approval came during a closed session after the regular sept. 18 city council meeting.

Doubting Bro

I just saw this as well. I agree that its not all that unusual for cities and vistors bureaus to contribute to things like this. However, I'll bet the WTS keeps the cash while asking for donations to cover the entire amount. For the city, it seems like they're still getting a decent deal.

BUT, I love the fact that the city council wants JWs to do ACTUAL charity work. Cleaning the center is fine and it does certainly lower the cost but this part is awesome "providing support or volunteers for a local Habitat for Humanity project, Helping Hands Mission relocation or a food or clothing drive for one of the city’s food banks or shelters. The group could suggest its own partnership, but it must be approved by the City Council."

You know as well as I do that the WTS will comply given how much they love money. I wonder how they'll do it? I think it would be great if other cities followed Raleigh's lead and put some more strings on giving groups like JWs financial assistance so they can hold their meetings/conventions.!!

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Patterson on the line: Watchtower claims that paying cash bond would cause immediate irreparable harm and hardship

by cedars in

a new article for those who are interested.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/patterson-on-the-line-watchtower-claims-that-paying-cash-bond-would-cause-immediate-irreparable-harm-and-hardship.

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cedars.

Doubting Bro

Just read all 8 pages and I appreciate everyone's contributions to this article. I feel that its extremely important to get every detail as accurate as possible because we all know that JWs will jump all over the slightest error to discount the entire article. The bottom line is that the Conti verdict is by far their worse loss in recent history and could be their worse loss ever. Even if its overturned on appeal, I know several JWs that are still talking about it and the PR hit is there and impacting current JWs. Not saying that I know anyone who has left over it but I have had people speak with me confidentially that were once strong JWs who are seeing the WTS as nothing but another religion due to the scandal.

Obviously they need to take this as far as possible because if they end up losing all their appeals, the precedent will have a big financial impact on their operations and they most certainly understand that. This isn't about the 11 million but about the future loss suits, in my opinion.

My opinion is that they're using Patterson as surerty to save the 86k. If they didn't have the money to pay the verdict, they wouldn't have done that. If I were them, I would do the same thing. I'm not sure I'd read too much into that portion of it but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Good job!

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I will be having a talk tomorrow at our special assembly day

by Most Noble in

our special assembly day is tomorrow, although, i dont live in the states though but still, i wont put the theme of my talk up here; you never can tell, but, i will be mentioning some of the main points i will be highlighting.

1) how jehovah views secular education.

2) what should we be doing now with our precious time, considering that we are living at the finishing line of our relay race.. 3) are we heeding to the instructions given by jehovah's bride?'.

Doubting Bro

If the Holy Spirit cared about what was going on in WT-land, why is an active elder who has been selected to give a part on a SAD posting on this site???

Most Noble, I've been in similar situation. You're not alone and it will get better.

Meanwhile, be sure to post a review of the special KM school that will happen soon!!!

Welcome to the board by the way.

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Watch Tower Property Sell Off Wiki List:

by frankiespeakin in

Doubting Bro

Thanks for the list. I didn't realize 2012 was so busy for sales. I'm sure I've seen them all, but when you see it in one list, it really makes an impact.

100 Billion, no way they have that much in property. Several billion? Sure, I believe that but not 100 billion.

You know, even though they sold the property in a down market, think of how much money they made on each one. Bought low, fixed up with volunteer labor and while they didn't sell at the top, I'll bet they made a killing. Also, no capital gains taxes!!

From a business perspective, it makes sense to move to a lower cost venue. There's really no value in having Brooklyn anymore since they're not shipping all over the world from there.

I think they over expanded on the property side and are now "right sizing". Just like consolidating the various branches. I do see it as a sign of decline or at the very least an admission that their expansion has slowed down to the point where they don't think they're going to grow much more.

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My first own thread on here. Woken up and still in :(

by Gefangene in

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i have been around in this forum a lot but haven't written much yet.. also i had a more or less rude awakening when i realized that the religion i grew up with, the religion i sacrificed a lot for and considered to be the 'truth' is nothing but mere bs.

it's quite a brick to digest.. my parents both are jws, elder and pioneer.

very good people but also very brainwashed.

Doubting Bro

Welcome! Looking forward to your comments.

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Jesus' parousia started in 1975, Governing Body selected as Faithful and Discreet Slave and Evil Slave dealt with by 1980, and Armageddon arrives in 2015?

by JWB in

jesus' parousia started in 1975, governing body selected as faithful and discreet slave and evil slave dealt with by 1980, armageddon arrives in 2015?.

it seems to me that some new light needs to be generated if the governing body (gb) of jws is to be considered as the faithful and discreet slave (fds).. .

(a) gb needs to be around as an entity when selected by jesus during his parousia.

Doubting Bro

I was thinking along the same line. In orded for them get the troops motivated,they need to reset the endtime clock. Sure they would take some losses but it also may energize those apathic jws that are true believers

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My brother died tonight

by poppers in

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just got word that my youngest brother died of pancreatic cancer.

he was diagnosed in early august.

this has been really tough for me and my family..

Doubting Bro

So sorry for your loss.

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Snares of the Devil - Questioning the motives of those who pioneer

by Quarterback in

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the wt for today, can't remember exactly what paragraph, stated the dangers of the tongue.

it went further to mention that we wouldn't want to question the motives of a sister who was appointed in the congregation as a pioneer.

there was even a picture to add emphasis.. who on earth questions that?

Doubting Bro

Here's the thing that always gets me. We must have spent 5 minutes talking about that stupid picture, maybe more. But, when they read a scripture, there is maybe one brief comment. They really do treat the WT articles as "inspired". If I were a visitor, I think I'd be appalled at the amount of time spent discussing some picture in a mag as if there was some important message being sent.

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Another doozie from DO Brown Payne about "many JW's compromising their neutrality" and voting for Obama

by oppostate in

bro do brown payne told the audience of today's sa day at natick mass.

that "many brothers compromised their neutrality by voting in 2008".

he followed that by asking "and what has this president done for you?

Doubting Bro

A few years ago, our CO (white) also mentioned this during one of his parts. He said that individuals were "disciplined" and that some elders and MS were removed as a result. He also said that there were several that went to the inauguration ceremony. He said that when he confronted some of those elders, they responded that it was "a black thing, you wouldn't understand". His response was "no, its a netruality thing, you don't understand". I was surprised that some admitted to voting, otherwise I'm not sure how you'd get caught.

I really don't understand why a JW couldn't go watch the inauguration. I mean, I watch most of them on TV. I think that's one of the things that makes the US a great place to live. In some countries, the transfer of power isn't nearly as smooth and I've always thought it was great to see the outgoing president shake the incoming presidents hand and step back.

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First time poster, Long time Lurker

by BackSlider in

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Doubting Bro

Clearly 1914 is a joke but that is where they get their power structure from. Without that date, they still wouldn't have their "appointment" and therefore no authority as the FDS. The only thing they could possibly do is change the date from 1914 to sometime later but in the past. At least no later than whenever the GB structure came into exsistance back in the 70s.

I'm sure they'd love to move the date and they moved it once in their past from 1874 to 1914 so I'm sure they could do it again. But, the risk they run is having a ton of people leave.

Welcome to the board!! Look forward to your comments.